Comments on: coffee photo woes http://tonx.org/archives/110 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:21:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Bruno http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-21322 Bruno Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:05:43 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-21322 I take espresso photos, like you, from a very personal perspective. Sometimes it's somebody else's coffee and many times it's my own from home. Someone taking those photos and using them for marketing or what not boils my blood. It's a passion not necessarily for photography but for great coffee that comes through in your photos. Unfortunately that very thing is what makes people steal photos. Please keep snapping those pics - sure do enjoy those photos;-) I take espresso photos, like you, from a very personal perspective. Sometimes it’s somebody else’s coffee and many times it’s my own from home. Someone taking those photos and using them for marketing or what not boils my blood. It’s a passion not necessarily for photography but for great coffee that comes through in your photos. Unfortunately that very thing is what makes people steal photos. Please keep snapping those pics - sure do enjoy those photos;-)

]]> By: Sarah http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-21243 Sarah Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:21:37 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-21243 Aaw.. you are too humble. I think if these people see the potential in you, you should try to let it grow. Try freelancing. Unless you really don't wanna do it. Hey, it's your decision. Be happy shooting. That's what matter. I love the second shot! Hmm!! Aaw.. you are too humble.
I think if these people see the potential in you, you should try to let it grow. Try freelancing. Unless you really don’t wanna do it. Hey, it’s your decision.

Be happy shooting. That’s what matter.
I love the second shot! Hmm!!

]]> By: Lee http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-21037 Lee Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:25:53 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-21037 You should definitely upload your images to http://www.ratemyrosetta.com/ :) You should definitely upload your images to http://www.ratemyrosetta.com/ :)

]]> By: Andy C http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20472 Andy C Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:13:39 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20472 I've had stuff ganked before, mostly vacation pics, and I kindly send an email but I really don't care more than that. Life is about living and less about harassment (sic too many lawyers already). If my work ends up getting out there then its just a part of the remix of life. No one is taking money from me, it's all art, and art likes being free. Exclusivity is a temporal thing anyhow. Recreddation now that sometimes breaks the chain. -a I’ve had stuff ganked before, mostly vacation pics, and I kindly send an email but I really don’t care more than that. Life is about living and less about harassment (sic too many lawyers already). If my work ends up getting out there then its just a part of the remix of life. No one is taking money from me, it’s all art, and art likes being free.

Exclusivity is a temporal thing anyhow. Recreddation now that sometimes breaks the chain.

-a

]]> By: James Hoffmann http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20338 James Hoffmann Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:48:26 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20338 I haven't found any stolen ones (yet). Magazines have asked to use them in the past and I usually say it is ok as long as they send me a copy. Which they usually do though I must admit I can't always read the language they are written in. This is, however, something I am more and more concerned about as I try to move my photography up a notch (going from compact digital to half decent DSLR). The one advantage I've had previously is that most of my stuff (that was any good imho) was macro based, and almost an in joke. If you don't know what a pour looks like coming from a pf spout then you are unlikely to have a clue what the hell is going on when you see it really, really upclose and personal so in that way they are unnattractive to mainstream press though weirdly seem to garner praise from the coffee community. (To me there is no secret or skill to just holding a camera as close as possible to something, but I guess I am as fascinated by the results as the next guy!) Part of me is tempted to shoot some "stock" photography as I go and leave it on a website where people can buy images but I am sure it costs to be a part of those and I wouldn't make that much cash. You guys just wait til I can afford the macro lens for my new camera. I plan on upping the nerd factor by 10! I haven’t found any stolen ones (yet). Magazines have asked to use them in the past and I usually say it is ok as long as they send me a copy. Which they usually do though I must admit I can’t always read the language they are written in.

This is, however, something I am more and more concerned about as I try to move my photography up a notch (going from compact digital to half decent DSLR).

The one advantage I’ve had previously is that most of my stuff (that was any good imho) was macro based, and almost an in joke. If you don’t know what a pour looks like coming from a pf spout then you are unlikely to have a clue what the hell is going on when you see it really, really upclose and personal so in that way they are unnattractive to mainstream press though weirdly seem to garner praise from the coffee community. (To me there is no secret or skill to just holding a camera as close as possible to something, but I guess I am as fascinated by the results as the next guy!)

Part of me is tempted to shoot some “stock” photography as I go and leave it on a website where people can buy images but I am sure it costs to be a part of those and I wouldn’t make that much cash.

You guys just wait til I can afford the macro lens for my new camera. I plan on upping the nerd factor by 10!

]]> By: Steve http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20334 Steve Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:15:59 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20334 I thought it was funny... http://www.flickr.com/photos/spinnaker007/38231409/ I thought it was funny…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/spinnaker007/38231409/

]]> By: Rich Westerfield http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20278 Rich Westerfield Sun, 19 Nov 2006 05:42:25 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20278 It's a pain. I've had many posts from my tradeshow industry blog lifted and credited to someone else. It's also under CC. I don't do that for profit - it's simply a front end, so it's more annoying than crippling. Still, it's disappointing to see how low people will go. To tell the truth, it's really hard resisting the urge to use some of Hoffman's photos. His work is astounding. <i>Ganking? </i> Where do you west coasters come up with these words? It’s a pain. I’ve had many posts from my tradeshow industry blog lifted and credited to someone else. It’s also under CC. I don’t do that for profit - it’s simply a front end, so it’s more annoying than crippling. Still, it’s disappointing to see how low people will go.

To tell the truth, it’s really hard resisting the urge to use some of Hoffman’s photos. His work is astounding.

Ganking? Where do you west coasters come up with these words?

]]> By: Mark http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20258 Mark Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:30:52 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20258 It happens quite often with my photos, both on the CG site and from Flickr. I was very resistant to watermarking images for years, but I do it now on CG. Still, I'm a "tame" watermarker, doing it unobtrusively in the bottom right corner. But at the very least, image thieves have to really intend to take it (ie, edit, crop out the water mark), to use the photos without any compensation or accreditation back. I used to sometimes "expose" people who knowingly steal my photos for commercial gains, advertisements, site promotional stuff, yada yada. But somehow I always end up looking the bad guy. Now mainly it's the email route. The worst by far are the eBayers out there, happily taking my work to help sell their products. The work they steal is "commercial work", ie, more for commercial use than artistic photography, so I'd have no problems with them buying or renting the photos in that case. But they never do. And get pretty indignant when caught. Thankfully, eBay itself is pretty good about respecting copyrighted work. I do two types of coffee photos. well three. - commercial work. The stuff meant to showcase a product or service. - artistic work - trying to find new ways to present anything in coffee or espresso, from the process to the tools. - action stuff - like barista competitions, etc. I've never made a single dime from 3) above - everyone expects those photos for free. Never really asked to be paid for them, but considering what goes into getting the shots I get, it'd be nice, if only once the offer was made lol) Most of my money comes from a) above - I do a lot of commercial work these days, which I'm happy with. But there's a problem with it too - some of it is for one client, exclusive rights, that kind of thing. Case in point - I did some work for Imbibe that they bought but it wasn't published. Put it on my flickr, which they had no problems with. But it was stolen, and one image by a pretty large company. I had to complain and ask for cease use - in one case, it made it into print materials, and now I'm contemplating legal action against that one. Some money comes from my favourite thing - b) above, the artistic shots. not much money, but that makes me feel just completely awesome as a photographer - that my imagination and / or interpretation of something was interesting enough that someone would actually pay money for it. Lastly Tony - I know about the one banner ad problem with CG, it was rectified today, and I do believe it was an honest mistake (one person had some of your images locally, left the company, the next person in to take over for them thought they were property of the company, etc etc). But if you ever do see any other banner ads or such on CG that use your photographs, please do not hesitate to contact me about it - I'll make sure it's taken care of. It happens quite often with my photos, both on the CG site and from Flickr. I was very resistant to watermarking images for years, but I do it now on CG. Still, I’m a “tame” watermarker, doing it unobtrusively in the bottom right corner. But at the very least, image thieves have to really intend to take it (ie, edit, crop out the water mark), to use the photos without any compensation or accreditation back.

I used to sometimes “expose” people who knowingly steal my photos for commercial gains, advertisements, site promotional stuff, yada yada. But somehow I always end up looking the bad guy. Now mainly it’s the email route. The worst by far are the eBayers out there, happily taking my work to help sell their products. The work they steal is “commercial work”, ie, more for commercial use than artistic photography, so I’d have no problems with them buying or renting the photos in that case. But they never do. And get pretty indignant when caught. Thankfully, eBay itself is pretty good about respecting copyrighted work.

I do two types of coffee photos. well three.

- commercial work. The stuff meant to showcase a product or service.
- artistic work - trying to find new ways to present anything in coffee or espresso, from the process to the tools.
- action stuff - like barista competitions, etc.

I’ve never made a single dime from 3) above - everyone expects those photos for free. Never really asked to be paid for them, but considering what goes into getting the shots I get, it’d be nice, if only once the offer was made lol)

Most of my money comes from a) above - I do a lot of commercial work these days, which I’m happy with. But there’s a problem with it too - some of it is for one client, exclusive rights, that kind of thing. Case in point - I did some work for Imbibe that they bought but it wasn’t published. Put it on my flickr, which they had no problems with. But it was stolen, and one image by a pretty large company. I had to complain and ask for cease use - in one case, it made it into print materials, and now I’m contemplating legal action against that one.

Some money comes from my favourite thing - b) above, the artistic shots. not much money, but that makes me feel just completely awesome as a photographer - that my imagination and / or interpretation of something was interesting enough that someone would actually pay money for it.

Lastly Tony - I know about the one banner ad problem with CG, it was rectified today, and I do believe it was an honest mistake (one person had some of your images locally, left the company, the next person in to take over for them thought they were property of the company, etc etc). But if you ever do see any other banner ads or such on CG that use your photographs, please do not hesitate to contact me about it - I’ll make sure it’s taken care of.

]]> By: Glenn Fleishman http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20244 Glenn Fleishman Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:21:03 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20244 The URL on watermarking didn't take: http://www.digimarc.com/comm/mypicturemarc.asp The URL on watermarking didn’t take: http://www.digimarc.com/comm/mypicturemarc.asp

]]> By: Glenn Fleishman http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20243 Glenn Fleishman Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:20:47 +0000 http://tonx.org/archives/110#comment-20243 This is tricky. Copyright is implicit in the act of creation. Thus by creating a photo and explicitly attaching a copyright license to it (the CC one you normally choose), you are in a position to use copyright law to effect change if people misuse your photos. If you register an image with the copyright office, you have the right to collect triple damages, but it doesn't give more than a timestamp. Since you're taking photos on a digital camera and uploading them to Flickr, it's pretty easy to prove ownership. That's all legal stuff. You could watermark your photos. This is tricky. Copyright is implicit in the act of creation. Thus by creating a photo and explicitly attaching a copyright license to it (the CC one you normally choose), you are in a position to use copyright law to effect change if people misuse your photos. If you register an image with the copyright office, you have the right to collect triple damages, but it doesn’t give more than a timestamp. Since you’re taking photos on a digital camera and uploading them to Flickr, it’s pretty easy to prove ownership.

That’s all legal stuff.

You could watermark your photos.

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